Original Message Date: 18 Jan 92 14:47:36 From: Rick Moore on 1:115/333 To: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111 Subj: Next six messages ^AMSGID: 1:115/333.0 29789268 I am forwarding you the next six messages because I was a little concerned � with Bill's warning about documents authored by JoHo and published using � your marks by me. I have no idea if there's any reason to worry about � getting involved in senseless bullshit, but when lawyers (I pronounce it � as "liars" myself ) are involved, you have to be careful. Maybe you � want to make check with check with your lawyer and make sure that nothing � I do can get you tangled up in legallistic red tape. I have absolutely no reason to believe or disbelieve the "facts" presented � in these messages. As far as I'm concerned, JoHo is innocent until proven � guilty in a court of law, and even then I may still not believe he is � guilty. I really don't know enough first hand to make a judgement. I'm not � trying to spread gossip (the messages have obviously received wide � distribution in zone 3 already and will probably be here in zone 1 soon). � It's just I take our agreement seriously and don't want to cause you any � legal problems. I intend to go on publishing anything I receive that I feel has some � connection to FTSC's charter. The only exceptions are documents that � encourage or aid illegal conduct, documents that I do not receive directly � from the author, documents that are obviously copyrighted by other � entities, or documents that contain obscenity (and I'm no prude) or � personal attacks that could be considered libel. To date, I have published � every word I have received. On another topic: would you like me to submit documents I publish to you � as FidoNews articles? It might carry the discussion of new proposals to � more people around the world. I hope you and your loved ones had a good holiday season. Rick Original Message Date: 18 Jan 92 15:06:04 From: Rick Moore on 1:115/333 To: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111 Subj: Memo (1 of 6) ^AMSGID: 1:115/333.0 297896bc * Original From: Bill Bolton (3:711/403) * Original To : Rick Moore (1:1/20) Rick, I am passing on the message below (and in the following five parts) for � your information. This involves commercial rather than technical issues and so you can make � of it what you will. I thought you might want to be aware of it as it � potentially effects the distribution in Zone 3 (possibly elsewhere as � well) of items JoHo provided to FTSC during his period in Australia. Both � FSC-0046.A02 and FSC-0053.A01 fall into this category. Cheers, Bill ===== * Crossposted in Region 50 Sysop Conference * Crossposted in Front Door Conference * Crossposted in Zone 3 Sysop Conference * Crossposted in INTLnet - Int'l Sysop's Echo * Crossposted in INTLnet - Zone 58 Sysop's Only MEMO INTRODUCTION From what I can understand, people that are involved in the � Fidonet community and particularly those involved with and using the Front � Door and Tosscan products have been over the past year getting conflicting � and contradictory reports about Front Door (FD), its ownership ,its � distribution and the rights to sell Front Door. To date I have refrained � from entering into or disclosing any details about FD , about Joaquim (JH) � and my involvement with the Front Door project . I had been counselled by � my lawyers that such a delicate and legal matter was best disclosed and � thrashed out in the court rooms and that the Fidonet network was not the � correct forum for disclosing information. I have always been aware of the � fact that large sections of the people involved in the Fidonet network � thrive on gossip and innuendo and generally have nothing better to do than � to fabricate and spread false , malicious, slanderous and damaging � information about other people. Because of this, I have also refrained, � not wanting to be seen to have stooped to this level. Furthermore being � largely involved in the commercial world I am also aware of the potential � for libel . Having said all of the above then why have I now decided that the � TRUE facts about Front Door, Joaquim and myself need to be spelled out. � The reason is simple. Having already lost a fortune to Joaquim I have � nothing left to lose but my name and reputation and it is THIS very thing � above ALL else that has prompted me to finally disclose the facts about � the Front Door Project and Joaquim. In the business world THE most � important asset a person has is not his money but his name and his � reputation. Therefore rather than have my name and reputation maligned, � sullied and misconstrued because people are not aware of or not in � possesion of the true and full facts , I have decided to provide it. They � say that the beginning of wisdom is to call a thing by its right name so � in this case let me present the facts to you and then you can arrive at an � informed opinion about the matter on your own. > continue next message < --- InterMail 2.01b * Origin: Canyen Software - Not Just A Big Hole! (3:632/313) Original Message Date: 18 Jan 92 15:06:38 From: Rick Moore on 1:115/333 To: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111 Subj: Memo (2 of 6) ^AMSGID: 1:115/333.0 297896de * Original From: Bill Bolton (3:711/403) * Original To : Rick Moore (1:1/20) * Crossposted in Region 50 Sysop Conference * Crossposted in Front Door Conference * Crossposted in Zone 3 Sysop Conference * Crossposted in INTLnet - Int'l Sysop's Echo * Crossposted in INTLnet - Zone 58 Sysop's Only THE BACKGROUND About 3 or more years ago a Mr. Peter Stewart was approached by � Joaquim to be involved in developing an E-Mail system. Peter was involved � as a full partner and they jointly developed the Front Door package up to � the release of ver 1.99c. The development of FD was along the following � lines. Peter Stewart developed The Interface the Mailer the Nodelist compiler and the Editor Joaquim developed Front Doors Setup program and some of the � Protocols. The FUNDING for this development came from a number of sources. � It was not funded by Joaquim. At the end of the 1.99c development JH � proceeded too end the partnership with Peter Stewart. Through David Nugent � I invited Joaquim to Australia to do some software development. At this � stage I had other projects I was interested in doing . When Joaquim came � to Australia he convinced me into funding the next version of Front Door. � His convincing arguments were that he or at least James had about 600 � orders ready to be fulfilled IF ONLY WE HAD VER 2.00. We felt that Front � Door should be developed along commercial lines with a lot more commercial � features and requirements than it had at the time. I had at this stage � already PAID for Joaquims airfare to come to Australia. For the next 12 � months I PAID Joaquim a weekly WAGE while he developed what became to be � called Front Door ver 2.00. > continue next page < --- InterMail 2.01b * Origin: Canyen Software - Not Just A Big Hole! (3:632/313) Original Message Date: 18 Jan 92 15:07:06 From: Rick Moore on 1:115/333 To: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111 Subj: Memo (3 of 6) ^AMSGID: 1:115/333.0 297896fa * Original From: Bill Bolton (3:711/403) * Original To : Rick Moore (1:1/20) * Crossposted in Region 50 Sysop Conference * Crossposted in Front Door Conference * Crossposted in Zone 3 Sysop Conference * Crossposted in INTLnet - Int'l Sysop's Echo * Crossposted in INTLnet - Zone 58 Sysop's Only The other major components that I paid to have developed for ver 2.00 was 1. All programming work done between 1.99c and 2.0 2. FDCD ( The Communications Driver) 3. The Install program 4. The Documentation The total cost to date was around $140,000.00. This figure does not include Opportunity costs or Interest rates. If these were considered then � the figure would be closer to $250,000.00 It may come as a surprise to some of you that a large part of the commercial ideas that went into ver 2.0 came from David Nugent. Any of you � who have known David well , know that he is a fountain of ideas both � conceptually and technically. The balance came from a group of well known beta testers. Some time in July of 1990 JH and myself signed some preliminary � legal documents . When version 2.00 was officially released I had some additional legal documents prepared. These documents detailed the amount of monies � spent on the ver 2.00 project by myself. It also detailed a royalty scheme that Joquim had to comply to. The Agreement ensured that I retained OWNERSHIP � of all the components that I paid for until Joaquim had paid IN FULL the amounts outstanding. To date and almost one year later I have not received ONE CENT in royalty payments from Joaquim as per our agreement. I have tried everything possible outside the legal channels to ensure that he repays the money but � to no avail. It has therefore become obvious that I have been taken as a � sucker and for a ride and that Joaquim never ever did intend to repay back any of � the moneys that were lent to him or used to fund the project. > continue next message < --- InterMail 2.01b * Origin: Canyen Software - Not Just A Big Hole! (3:632/313) Original Message Date: 18 Jan 92 15:08:28 From: Rick Moore on 1:115/333 To: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111 Subj: Memo (4 of 6) ^AMSGID: 1:115/333.0 2978974c * Original From: Bill Bolton (3:711/403) * Original To : Rick Moore (1:1/20) * Crossposted in Region 50 Sysop Conference * Crossposted in Front Door Conference * Crossposted in Zone 3 Sysop Conference * Crossposted in INTLnet - Int'l Sysop's Echo * Crossposted in INTLnet - Zone 58 Sysop's Only My buisness relationships with people have always been above board � and done with the gentlemans handshake. It should be pointed out that as a direct result of my investing � in the Front Door ver 2.00 and because the completion of the project took � 6 months longer than it should , I eventually lost my family home and � other assets. Over the past 5 months I have since discovered that there are at � least FIVE other people and companies that have been in my situation with � Joaquim. These people and companies have over the past 3 to 4 years lent � him money or funded the development of Front Door. On every occassion � legal documents were signed and verbal promises made and on EVERY � occassion Joaquim has broken his promise. Why does He now live in � Luxembourg ? Because the legal jurisdiction makes it a very expensive � exercise for anyone chasing him to recover monies. THE CURRENT LEGAL POSITION So what is the current situation with front Door and myself? . � Well the answer is as follows a. Joaquim has been stopped from using the following components in � Front Door 1. FDCD (the communications driver) 2. The Install programme 3. The manual/documentation or any derivation of the manual b. I currently own the name Front Door for the area of Australia. � As a result no one will be allowed to use the name in a product or in any � literature , advertising etc. > continue next message < --- InterMail 2.01b * Origin: Canyen Software - Not Just A Big Hole! (3:632/313) Original Message Date: 18 Jan 92 15:09:38 From: Rick Moore on 1:115/333 To: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111 Subj: Memo (5 of 6) ^AMSGID: 1:115/333.0 29789792 * Original From: Bill Bolton (3:711/403) * Original To : Rick Moore (1:1/20) * Crossposted in Region 50 Sysop Conference * Crossposted in Front Door Conference * Crossposted in Zone 3 Sysop Conference * Crossposted in INTLnet - Int'l Sysop's Echo * Crossposted in INTLnet - Zone 58 Sysop's Only c. I retain , pursuant to signed documents and due to a legally � enforceable agreement between Joaquim and myself the exclusive � distribution and liscenscee of the Front Door packaging. At this point in � time we are in dispute with Joaquim and are currently enforcing our rights � in the Australian Courts. Joaquim has elected NOT to come within the � jurisdiction of the Australian Courts. Given the amount of expenditure and � investment made by myself we herby give notice that Joaquim is NOT � entitled to give licenses or sell Front Door in Australia, New Zealand or � anywhere else in the world without my express consent. In the event that � any person purports to hold such a license or attempts to distribute , � market or sell Front Door , legal proceedings will be issued against them � and this letter or Electronic mail will be used as proof of PRIOR � knowledge. d. As far as we can tell it is unclear as to WHO REALLY OWNS � the rights to Front Door. It would appear that the rights are held by more � than one person and company that aided in the development and funding of � the product. THE ALTERNATIVE As a result of all of the above, I no longer sell or support Front � Door . This decision was VOLUNTARY and not enforced on me by JH since I � still have the legal rights to duplicate and manufacture Front Door. I � have however chosen to market a product called INTERMAIL. Intermail is a � package written and developed by Mr. Peter Stewart who as you recall was � the joint developer of Front Door up to version 1.99c. In my brief � association with Peter over the past 4 months I have found him to be an � absolute gentleman and honourable in all his dealings. For those who have � not seen Intermail it looks and feels exactly like Front Door. Intermail � has many advantages over Front Door. But one of the main advantages is � that it is jointly owned and supported by a company called Scandinavian PC � who is a $30 million dollar company and the largest software publisher in � Scandinavia. Their commitment to the product will ensure that it will � develop faster and be a more commercially viable product than Front Door � ever will. Front Door is NOT well funded and if all the people that it � owes money to win their legal case then Front Door will be even poorer for � it. We estimate that Joaquim owes about $500,000.00 to people that have � helped him and the Front Door project and this does not include the � accuring interest. > continue next message < --- InterMail 2.01b * Origin: Canyen Software - Not Just A Big Hole! (3:632/313)